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#1 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 5:10:15 AM(UTC)
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I found this this the other day and read all the papers I found it very interesting. This to me rings more true then what we have been raised to believe.........From Indian folklore.........give it a read.....takes some time but worth it.


http://freedomdomain.com...apapers/terrapapers.html


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#2 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 11:37:23 AM(UTC)
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Right off the bat I have a problem with this. I can't agree with "evil aliens" - evil is a brain malfunction - period. There has never been a war of PhDs to try and take over the world. We are projecting ourselves / our ways into the cosmos. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would love to hear a counter argument.


"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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#3 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 12:02:40 PM(UTC)
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Jim wrote:


Right off the bat I have a problem with this. I can't agree with "evil aliens" - evil is a brain malfunction - period. There has never been a war of PhDs to try and take over the world. We are projecting ourselves / our ways into the cosmos. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would love to hear a counter argument.




You don't have to believe in evil anything.........and I'm not saying that what this reads is true.But what I find interesting is how it ties into all the things we are looking at and what we have been taught. Your idea of the female superiority in history and how it was lost or removed....several coalitions with the bible and other religions.Is it possible that the reason we can't remember or can't find the true history is because we are being manipulated by  some outside source we don't know about?.....SURE........sure....it is possible. We have to look at everything...if your not looking at possibilities then we'er no better off.

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We can't find the history because it was rewritten. Egypt and Sumer are responsible; and Egypt may get somewhat of a reprieve because they at least tried to preserve the information, as screwed up as it was. What do you think THIS means? Look familiar?


 



 


I have a feeling Imhotep was responsible, but I can't prove it. At any rate, the idea of "the son" of the goddess (Horus) would stand in as the person who would fix the problem as the original story was dead.

"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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I'm trying ... I'm really trying ... I - wanna - reach - out - and SMACK HIM ...



"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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#6 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2009 1:44:18 PM(UTC)
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I don't know if you read this Indians papers all the way though or not. One of the interesting things he says is that they used free energy from the planets them shelf. The pyramids.....as I take it were used to focus the energy.That makes more sense to me then they there built for Kings and noblemen. What he says about the sun god RA was interesting to...........like I said it brings up other possibilities and maybe a little closer....I don't know who Imhotep is so I can't comment on this.

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The pyramid is our symbol. One created triangle runs from the center belt star to the two at the bottom of the constellation of Orion. M42/M43 (our symbol's archtype inside the triangle) sits off center as you can see.



When they built the King's chamber inside the pyramid, they put it in the same off center position.



This was the same idea used in that glyph constructed in that Manhattan wall. The lighter colored brick inside the triangle is in the same position.



 


It's the same symbol found on the "Lost Tomb of Jesus" that people were wondering about.



 


It would be represented by the line in (the now late) Lonnie Zamora glyph.



 


 


The idea is that all history MUST conform to a particular story. If it doesn't, it's wrong. I haven't finished that text, it was making me crazy. What is grandpa basing this on - it isn't real.

"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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I tried - I really really did.


I tried to read it, but the wrongness reached out and ...


There was a noise in my head ...


It just got louder and louder and ...


The next thing I knew ....


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 



 


Well, I tried to warn you.


"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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#9 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:16:03 AM(UTC)
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I wish we had a draw feature on here.............to keep this conversation going. What if what we're seeing here is some type of energy sign. The half circle being the energy wave. The triangle being the form it take in order to focus the energy to a point to were we are able to use the energy.The base with pole coming out of the middle for the purpose of having to be connected to the earth.(a ground)



if we're seeing this sign on space crafts.....it maybe telling whoever that it uses planet energy(leaded or unleaded gas).Trying to think out side the box.Sometimes the simple is correct.


 

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quote:I tried to read it, but the wrongness reached out and ...


.It's not always about wrong or right.....it about information. When I read your book...how many time did I put it down and thought....."hummm this is so wrong". But I didn't stop reading because theres information in there that could be right. Don't let wrongness keep you from information there maybe something there. Take the Bible for instant...holy cow lots of information but........oh and I also read those papers just for the enjoyment of reading....like"Huckle Berry Fin"


 

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:41:35 AM(UTC)
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What if what we're seeing here is some type of energy sign. The half circle being the energy wave. The triangle being the form it take in order to focus the energy to a point to were we are able to use the energy.The base with pole coming out of the middle for the purpose of having to be connected to the earth.(a ground)



if we're seeing this sign on space crafts.....it maybe telling whoever that it uses planet energy(leaded or unleaded gas).Trying to think out side the box.Sometimes the simple is correct.


 



I would agree that it could mean anything we attach to it. But it also needs to be considered that this symbol, given the different artistic approaches which vary slightly regarding the half-circle as well as the horizontal bottom line, could be representing an artistic enclosure of the arrow alone. I've considered this as well, just haven't gone into it here. Both outcomes would be the same definition.


The arrow is the center of the Orion Constellation, it holds the Nebula in question. Simplicity would be an answer of less parts, and this has less parts. Then too there was the arrow I woke up with scratched on my arm. The right side of what is on my arm has only one puncture like the constellation arrow one star. This was before I had any ideas regarding the incorporation of Orion into this mix, and it seemed to be a hint like the three punctures on my elbow that I woke up with.


For me this SEEMS to be a picture that differs from 16 months in that 16 months was total guesswork. I heard what I heard, whether from my own brain or not, and I guessed. Guessing is where the problems come in. With what has gone one since then; 1) I backed out of this completely after my "guess" failed. 2) Stuff started to happen again that pointed in a particular direction, and that direction was Orion. This time I didn't guess. I just looked and said hmm. OK ... and?  It has gone on from there. Also the anomalous Orion nebula shaped "fairy circles" that popped up in my back yard lawn. Something was pointing - I was just watching. 2+2=4?


 



"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:14:21 AM(UTC)
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Jim I can't help with that....I have never had anything like that happen to me.I have no reference........to me they look like scratches and pokes. I can't tell you why I am so interested in this stuff........I find it interesting. For the last 6 mos I've had a phase that keeps going though my mind."You are a leader of men". Day residue?....... probably. Could it be that we're close to something happening were I will have to take care of people? Put that with the dreams I've had over the last couple of years which I have posted here and the previous sights. Who knows..........Now I do think that this searching has something to do with Orion area.....like our roots are there. The info is gone.....but something,someone or some place is calling us......I wish the operator would connect us.

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SUNNY wrote:


jim wrote:
I tried to read it, but the wrongness reached out and ...


.It's not always about wrong or right.....it about information.


 


Actually, it's about right or wrong information if the entire picture is right; I have been revamping the manuscipt for that very reason. 16 months and my interpretation was information. It failed because I guessed. You made a guess too in the post above. From this point it would have to be connected to data that would verify it.


What is going on in my life now is connected to the anomalous things that seem to be pointing in a particular direction. Those pieces do connect to data I have that goes all the way back to C 9000 BC at which point they stop. Why? At this point I have a hypothesis, an educated "guess" (uh-oh) based on all of the component parts. I can give a solid argument as to why it is right. From this point I would want to hear counterarguments. It goes on from there.


 


 


When I read your book...how many time did I put it down and thought....."hummm this is so wrong". But I didn't stop reading because theres information in there that could be right.


 


I agree and have done that too. It's just that I'm focused on a particular idea where there is no information. As far as right or wrong, you have to have a solid counterargument based on accumulated data, and I would love to hear yours. I have made a comment on 911 being a signed work. NO ONE will touch it. Why? What are they afraid of? I don't bite.


As far as that paper goes, as far as I had gotten was this embellished story that reeked of Sitchin's work in a bigger version. My head literally did explode. There is absolutelly nothing to back any of that up, and if there is some good information in there, what I did look at pushed me away from finding it.


 


 


 


Don't let wrongness keep you from information there maybe something there.


I agree - I ordered a new head from WalMart.com. It should be here soon LOL.


 


 


Take the Bible for instant...holy cow lots of information but........


I spent decades on that - my conclusions - it's the most important piece of information we have, just not for the reasons people think.


 


 


oh and I also read those papers just for the enjoyment of reading....like"Huckle Berry Fin"


 I can't read fiction - it makes me ill  LOL.


"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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Jim I can't help with that....I have never had anything like that happen to me.


This crap has been going on in my life since 1955/'56, and my main complaint today is that if SOMEONE has something to say, why the hell don't they just say it?  We talked about guessing, yet this approach leaves the door wide open for guesswork. What the hell are they looking for in us - gamer traits?


 


 


I have no reference........to me they look like scratches and pokes.


They were - but in a particular method of employment they make a picture that oddly looks like things we know. It's called art. I have a picture of the same arrow and nebula reference from around 9000 BC (if I remember right) that was a carving using animals instead of stars. It's all art.


 


 


I can't tell you why I am so interested in this stuff........I find it interesting. For the last 6 mos I've had a phase that keeps going though my mind."You are a leader of men". Day residue?....... probably. Could it be that we're close to something happening were I will have to take care of people? Put that with the dreams I've had over the last couple of years which I have posted here and the previous sights. Who knows..........Now I do think that this searching has something to do with Orion area.....like our roots are there. The info is gone.....but something,someone or some place is calling us......I wish the operator would connect us.


 


That gets back to - if someone has something to say ... blah, blah, blah, etc.


I have no answers for why the big mystery and search. I could guess, but then that's no help either. There are quite a few people who have said the same thing you mentioned. I dunno. All I know is that after 55 years of this hunting for a picture - I'm freakin' tired. I loved every minute of it, but I'm tired. 


"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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Is there anybody else reading this with us ? would love some additional in put......Since we started working on this subject....... I guess what?.....4 years now.I have read so much information on who,what,were,how. Now I can't pull up and tell you which sights.... what articles and so on. Even in some of the Daile news stories...some will click in my mind and say....hummm... that goes together with what I read the other day....... I don't think we are from here.....now not us...but our roots are not from here. I feel like we as humans are starting to open and find this information out.I feel we are being shut down and that there are people/beings in the know. We live in a very controlled environment. Lots of stuff that I read point to Orion.


 I can't read fiction - it makes me ill  LOL


that's to bad reading give me peace.


sorry posted wrong comment meant the walmart thing had to re-edit


what? you mean a new toilet?


 


sorry that came out choppy.....but some times that's how it is      

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Regarding fiction Sunny, it just isn't my thing.  I like hard facts or speculation based on something to prove whether it's real or not.


It's like Atlantis ... Plato says it was in that spot, but, there is no trace of anything "in that spot" sooo ... people actually MOVE the spot. You can't do that. Then they play with the math ... you can't do that either. You either go with what is or leave it alone. Data says this, not that. To me - much better than fiction LOL.

"...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms; whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence." Fabre D'Olivet

Rather than STOP and say, 'Woops! I'm headed in the wrong direction,’ we tend to place a premium on projecting a consistent image of ourselves and try to rationalize our initial decision despite increasing evidence suggesting we ought to do the contrary. B M Staw

… many people today don't want honest answers insofar as 'honest’ means 'unpleasant’ or 'disturbing.’ They want a soft answer that turneth away anxiety. — Louis Kronenberger

Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true. — Francis Bacon

"How to teach again, however, what has been taught correctly and incorrectly learned a thousand thousand times, throughout the millenniums of mankind's prudent folly." ... "The easy thing is to commit the whole community to the devil and retire again into the heavenly rock dwelling, close the door, and make it fast." — Joseph Campbell


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