I'm going to start posting in here ... so give me a bit, had a bad day :(  I want people to post in here that are lurking in the background too. If I wind up talking to myself, I'm going to pull the topic.

Hmmm, I don't agree that this is the time they "got in our faces". This LA episode is just a mass UFO sighting, there is no interaction or response from the UFO... is there?

There have been sightings on and off through history.

www.blackvault.com/wiki/..._%28Reader%27s_Digest%29

One of the first written accounts of a UFO sighting - a fleet of flying saucers, perhaps - is the following excerpt from an Egyptian papyrus - part of the annals of Thutmose III, who reigned around 1504-1450 B.C.:

In the year 22, of the 3rd month of winter, sixth hour of the day... the scribes of the House of Life found it was a circle of fire that was coming in the sky.... It had no head, the breath of its mouth had a foul odor. Its body one rod long and one rod wide. It had no voice. Their hearts became confused through it; then they laid themselves on their bellies....They went to the Pharaoh... to report it. His Majesty ordered .... [an examination of] all which is written in the papyrus rolls of the House of Life. His Majesty was meditating upon what happened. Now after some days had passed, these things became more numerous in the sky than ever. They shone more in the sky than the brightness of the sun, and extended to the limits of the four supports of the heavens.... Powerful was the position of the fire circles. The army of the Pharaoh looked on with him in their midst. It was after supper. Thereupon, these fire circles ascended higher in the sky towards the south... The Pharaoh caused incense to be brought to make peace on the hearth... And what happened was ordered by the Pharaoh to be written in the annals of the House of Life... so that it be remembered for ever. [Brinsley Le Poer Trench, The Flying Saucer Story, pp.81-82]

The Battle of LA event was different, and then foo-fighters and onward. This was the first bold and brazen in your face, being shot at, and laughing all the way across the sky encounter. Over time it got more interesting when they buzzed Washington. "Hello - we are waiting for an answer to our question." LOL.

There has to be a starting point ... and this is it.

I've heard of other sighting that were much more "in your face" in comparison to the LA incident.

How about this one for starters?

http://ufos.about.com/od...story/a/earlyreports.htm

The 1800s was also the time Longfellow wrote about his dream / vision about Orion and the reign of violence ending. By this time the people who knew (for lack of a better name) were gone, more than likely absorbed by the growing secret societies.

They have always been around our skies, sometimes more actively than others. The LA incident - was different.

In any case, what is the point you are making about the starting point? Is it the "sky" you are linking it to? .. curious discussion...

The idea is that everything going on today (on both sides) has to have a beginning point; something that was different compared to past events. The difference was the base sightings idea as compared to walking right in and scaring the crap out of the military. There were lights in the sky that were seen before this main event.

As far as the sky, it was (as far as I am concerned) a message no one saw because we didn't know about it - but we should have if we had remained on course and were faithful to the tiny bit of information we were trusted with. Whoever the esoteric people are behind what is going on today, they know about that sky ... and that's scary. I have always contended they used it as a message too - to ET when 911 hit.

Don't forget the ancient Asian Indian poem from 3000 BC.  It describes open warfare happening in the skies above them, and a multitude of different flying craft engaged in the battle!

Good point, but between you, me, and the wall (and this is my personal bend) I never believed those stories. That kind of scenario would bring them down to our level - WE do stuff like that - WE war - WE kill - WE are the idiots. Then there is the fact that no one else wrote about anything like this at any other time in history, and if there were crashed craft we would have the evidence; people would have hidden it away. My perspective on this is that if this picture does date back to C 3000 BC, it probably connects to atmospheric displays that are connected to the arrival of Dr LaViolette's minor superwave at that time. I believe it's a story written down MUCH later, and was embellished in a way that connects to our way of life - war. I have always believed that high intelligence, coupled with the fact that "evil" is nothing more than a (fixable) brain disorder, will eliminate that kind of approach.

We do need a set time to start from though - It may as well be the 40s.

It isn't so much the time or event, it's the things that have gone on after this time. The idea of UFO has captured the attention of the entire planet - now we need to figure out why that is.

In the Vedic literature of India, there are many descriptions of flying machines that are generally called vimanas. These fall into two cate- gories: (l) manmade craft that resemble airplanes and fly with the aid of birdlike wings, and (2) unstreamlined structures that fly in a mysterious manner and are generally not made by human beings. The machines in category (l) are described mainly in medieval, secular Sanskrit works dealing with architecture, automata, military siege engines, and other mechanical contrivances. Those in category (2) are described in ancient works such as the Rg Veda, the Maha-bha-rata, the Rama-yana, and the Pura-nas, and they have many features reminis- cent of UFOs

The idea is that everything going on today (on both sides) has to have a beginning point; something that was different compared to past events. The difference was the base sightings idea as compared to walking right in and scaring the crap out of the military. There were lights in the sky that were seen before this main event.

Both sides of what?

ET and TPTB.

Also, as far a "something different" compared to past events, it's all a point of view.. Bronze Age, Industrial Age, Computer Age...

What about a Spiritual Age... Woodstock? Or.. the Falling of the Wall, how about the END or Beginning of WW2.. WW1?